Updated: Current Map of Aleppo Battle 6/4/2014

Update on map of the countryside south of Aleppo. SAA has liberated Mount Azzan, Ain Assan and Assan. The SAA is still advancing rapidly, this might look like another flanking maneuver to relieve pressure on the western front of Aleppo10414233_10152466017761763_962409879_o

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captaincorto
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As always, thanx for updating!
Looks promising, that’s why:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7eb_1401910297

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freeman
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Advancing rapidley ?? This conflict is taking way too long, and Aleppo should have been liberated a long time ago now if only they had more airpower. The only reason this haven’t happened is because of an outdated and small airforce. If Syria wants to make significant gains with minimum losses they should have had an airforce 100 times as big and with more guided missiles. Yes the Syrian army is doing a great job and has shown the last year to be one of the most respectable armies in the middle east, but taking back syria house for house… Read more »
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The only response I can think of is that air strikes mean extra civilian casualties which might be avoided with ground attacks. The western media- daily- accuses Dr. Assad of killing civilians and while it is not true the uneducated believe it..

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What people don’t know that in Iraq most of the bombs dropped were actually bind bombs. The television made us believe that all of the bombs dropped were smart bombs. What people also don’t know is that in Iraq it was a military objective to kill as many civilians as possible.

freeman
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bind = blind

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A top of the line jet fighter costs almost 1 billion dollars each, quality fighter jets used for training about a third of that. A country like Syria with a total annual gross domestic product of $50 billion couldn’t afford to buy more than a few a year. Large effective air forces are expensive and you can’t have one unless you generate $50 billion every other day like the USA currently does.

freeman
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a sukhoi 32 costs around 50 million USD so once again you spread false information Richard Sanchez!

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Ricardo, I think you are referring to the only fighter jet in the world to cost US1 bi a piece…the Fake 35, the largest corruption scheme ever in the history of this planet, recetly i heard a Mig 21 would beat the F35 in a dogfight due to better manueverability, can’t say i believe it but wouldn’t that be something to see ? Most of the very capable fighter jets, 4th and 5th gen are in the rage of US 35-100 millions, the lowest prices are the the 5th gen Gripen NG and several Russians 4th gens, BTW the secondary… Read more »
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You truly are a fool and a liar.

nini
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Freeman, For ur information it cost a LOT OF MONEY to do what u are asking.
Last time I checked ,Syria was not printing the US dollar.

freeman
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true, but what about Russia and China ? Russia is helping out a lot, but with the delayed weapon deals it makes me wonder sometime if they are ever going to be a part of the resistance.

Canthama
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The southern Aleppo front was a delightful surprise though necessary and a smart move.Tks for the up date.

richard sanchez
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There wasn’t any major action for sometime so it was obvious a buildup was taking place somewhere. S. Aleppo was quite a surprise to me as well.

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Election drew a lot of attention. Nothing holding back SAA now, i hope. God speed their way.

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OT: Is anyone still in doubt with regard to the treason being committed by the Putin government as thousands of Russian people have now been slaughtered in Ukraine by the Junta regime? All you silly people that were saying Putin is such a great ‘chess player’ and is simply waiting for the ‘right time’. LOL. Like i said he is conscious that he and his cronies will lose their various assets in the West if they were to launch an operation in Eastern Ukraine which they should have done right after the Crimea from a strategic point of view. Now… Read more »
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Jason, you are a reactionary and its a good thing not in a position to make decisions. There is a great deal of “strategery” behind Russia not rushing in and annexing all the Russian populations in the former Soviet territories. Those populations give Moscow a strong bargaining chip with these neighboring governments. This goes for Eastern Ukraine too, as It forces Kiev to consider the sentiments of the +10 million strong Russian Ukrainians in all of their policy decionns to keep the country from breaking apart. This makes it mutually favorable to maintain good ties between the 2 countries and… Read more »
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Jimmy, right on the money, I amwith you 100%.

Jason
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‘Jason, you are a reactionary and its a good thing not in a position to make decisions’ In fact my position from the start of the Ukraine crisis is the complete opposite of reactionary. If Russia had moved into Eastern Ukraine at the same time or immediately after Crimea then the junta and its backers would not have dared to attack Russian military positions in Donetsk or Lugansk, nor would they have been able to mount a serious defence against a Russian operation as their readiness was very low at that point. With Russian troops firmly in place in parts… Read more »
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Hi Jason. I was born in USSR (Kazakhstan) and I have been living in Russia for the last 21 years. I have ancestors from Ukraine too. I mean they spoke ukrainian and they were ukrainians. And a lot of people of Russia are in the same situation here. We don’t want a war with anybody, especially with ukrainians. They are our brothers. Though many of them don’t wanna think that way, especially some nationalists and Stepan Bandera fans. These kind of people were always against Russia. But other people of Ukraine who were neutral to Russia or loved it, many… Read more »
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Dear Nikolay, if you were born in Kazahstan, you know that Kazakhs are afraid of Russia annexing Northen Kazahstan. And there is such possibility in one case. If nationalism rises it head in Kazakhstan. The problem, is when a self pride in any nation covers an eyes with blood, when the laws that punish national minorites are put in place, when there is a forcing of naturalisation, stripping people of their language and cultural genocide takes place – there is always gonna be resistance. And people will not just pack their bags and leave, they will fight for their truth.… Read more »
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Jason , my first massages on this forum were “I fear betrayal from Putin, because it happened before in time of Gorbatchev”
I can’t remember, CHEVI or Canthama were saying i a wrong. Well, we are small people, we have to wait what history will bring.
But Russian nation will not forgive him betrayal of Donbass people.

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5 June 2014, 11:01

Russia never annexed Crimea, no plans to intervene Ukraine, it’s Western delusion – Putin
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_05/Russia-never-annexed-Crimea-no-plans-to-intervene-Ukraine-its-Western-delusion-Putin-5970/

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Rus.lang, it is hard to know what a man in a powerful position may decide, like Putin. We have a saying in Brazil that one never knows what comes out of a baby ass…Though I feel in the same way as few months ago regarding Putin and Russia’s stances in Syria and Ukraine. Have to say that Russia is dealying with these problems in a much more adult way, Russian diplomats are way better than their counter parts, Russia’s actions are logical and mostly understandable for ordinary people like myself, so based on those facts I do trust more on… Read more »
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It was more than likely me RUS, but let’s see what happens, only time will tell who is right, correct?, we might have different opinions, but as long as you don’t swear at me nor try to physically harm me i will respect you and your opinions. (treat people how you would like to be treated).

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What's a mook?
richard sanchez
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Don’t forget there was a 50 billion dollar capital flight from Russian corporations as sanctions were imposed after the takeover of Crimea, thats more than the total gross domestic product of Syrian in a whole year. Putin is more money motivated than you think.

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rus.lang
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Yes we are 🙂 The best bit, with a collapse of Soviet Union, they try to inject same ideology into us, and in Russia “Nationalist”, “White race” movements are on the increase. It’s so cool to feel yourself High Race, even if you’ve done nothing in your life, but if you some IT jerk or manager – it’s a sacred truth. People like to feel proud and exceptional, western individualist ideals are like poison. And i blame it on communist ideology that replaced traditional orthodox values with communist values, and after it’s collapse left empty space. The points that Russian… Read more »
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i am a proud tele-empathic Eastern Orthodox Albigensian Neanderthal subhuman …… 🙂

Jason
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To those complaining about the lack of progress by the Syrian military, you wouldn’t know what Syria is up against. Just imagine that you have an influx of armed mercenaries pouring through all your border points, these are private armies, they are not simple gangs or ‘battalions’ as stupid ‘oppositionists’ call them, they are private armies of NATO armed to the teeth. According to a report there have been 250k foreign mercenaries in Syria during the course of the conflict, this may even be an understatement. Syria is fighting a global war, a country of 20 million people against the… Read more »
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Yes Jason,the Syrian nation deserves nothing but Admiration…

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This is the answer of Senator Black to the message I sent him for his opposition against the war of aggression in Syria: Thank you for your support. For years, I have followed the Syrian War and certain other Mideast events quite closely, and I believe U.S. Syrian policy is dangerously misguided. I am deeply concerned that if we oust President Assad, we will install a jihadist regime associated with al Qaeda. Since al Qaeda attacked the U.S. and murdered 3000 Americans on 9-11, it seems foolish to align ourselves with their forces. The Syrian rebellion is dominated by radical… Read more »
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Most Americans think the 9/11 was a cia/mosad job

freeman
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they know it yet they fail to overtrhow their corrupt government…. what does that tell you about a population? it tells you you can get away with everything without suffering consequences ( all made possible by the horendous television brainwashing programs )

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that was a false statement, I would say about 90% of Americans don’t believe it was an inside job

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http://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/tag/susan-lindauer/

Extreme Prejudice-9/11&the Susan Lindauer Story by Jana Vera Greasley 4/12/11.

January 26, 2012 at 8:38am https://www.facebook.com/pages/Manchester-Metropoliitan-University/489433641085139

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As I have said before, a proper airforce wouldn’t have change much. Probably more tactical gains on the field, some cities in SAA hands, but not really much more. This is urban guerrilla warfare, SAA isn’t fighting a regular invasion army, they’re fighting a enemy that in many parts of the country and among the population have their support (tribalism+ religion). Unfortunately this enemy is heavly armed and backed-up by foreign countries as well. This is a puzzle that CAN’T be solved only with military and counter-terrorism operations. Also, SAA have a clear problem of menpower. With more boots on… Read more »
freeman
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A proper airforce in hands of the right people would make a HUGE difference. And you just said it yourself! : how is possibile that a bunch of cavemen can still camp there?

A proper airforce would have eliminated such elelemts in a heartbeat, it would give SAA the chance to focus their manpower on certain hotspots. Also it would be impossible for terrorist convoys to roam the countrysides and it also would mean reinforcements of terrorists are not safe to go from one frontline to another.

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Airforce isn’t anything. If you don’t know WHERE they’re hiding, in wich building they’re camping, in wich hole thy’re dug in, how can you bombard them? Only boots on the ground can do this job. You need spotters and assault team to find them, encircle them, keep them busy, calling airforce and then mop-up the place. This in a very airforce-friendly contest like a countryside where thy’re not much bulding, just imagine that in very populated neighborhood. You can’t bombard that place. You just need to clean all building room by room, if you bomb all the place you will… Read more »
freeman
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ok to be straight forward, Syria’s airforce is outdated and very small!! why won’t you acknowledge that! of course, you have made some valid points, but what you are saying is that syria is not in need of an airforce. The liberation of Qusair and Yabroud was a result of intensive airstrike in combination with coordinated ground movements. Without the airforce the casualties would probably have been a 10 fold and it would have taken at least twice as long

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For sure, syrian airforce is outdated and small. But airforce isn’t only owning planes.It’s a very long process, you have to buy planes, waiting the military industry make your planes, then training your jet pilots, and only after this you have aircraft (not to mention to keep the aircraft updated wich costs a lot). Syria don’t have the time for this. Syrian government had ordered some aircraft from Russia, but thanks to The Cop of the World, aka U.S.A, the delivery is blocked and it’s very unlikely they will have them before the end of the civil war (whatever result… Read more »
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When all you have is an airforce, every problem looks like a job for aerial bombardment! Mr. USA! USA! please understand that the US needs an airforce (and a navy, albeit carrier centred) to project power beyond it’s borders as it’s need to develop a land army are practically limited. Where would they go in north america and what would they do? Consequently they have to put expeditionary bases everywhere so that there is a semblance of a land army. Countries such as Russia and yes even Syria have predominantly land-based armies and strategies – that is their forte, air… Read more »
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I understand that Syrian Air force needs an update however they can kill the rats from air with what they have but what they need to improve is surveillance. They need more drones – the one with attack capabilities would be sweet. Also they need to monitor the area when Rats take over – if you have seen the videos of khan shaykhun (Idlib) they were marching like a band – one attack would have wiped off hundreds of rats in one go. This kind of scean have been noticed at lot of places earlier too – so what they… Read more »
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*Scene. what the hell was I smocking

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Why are you offending me? I’m just trying to explain you that your strategy IN THIS MOMENT it’s wrong. Syria, for reasons I discussed above, doesn’t have or can’t have a proper airforce right now, it has a small airforce that’s not enough to wipe out the terrorists. Once the war is finished and it will recovery it surely must have a better airforce.

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Syrian rebels are getting their teeth kicked in and Kerry makes a quivering statement in Lebanon for Hezbollah, Russia, and Iran to “bring this war in Syria to an end”. What is he going to do next time? Start sobbing while saying, “please, please stop”? How embarrassing for Americans right now. Get off the estrogen pills and man up.

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/133559-kerry-meets-salam-urges-hizbullah-iran-russia-to-exert-efforts-to-end-syria-war

freeman
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And believe me , if dr . Assad had the oppurtunity to modernise his airforce he would have done it a long time ago. Every SAA unit should have the opurtunity to call in airsupport whenever they feel too.

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http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/06/03/isolate-syria-s-arms-suppliers

36 Yak-130 jet trainers/combat aircraft ordered in 2011; and
24 MiG-29 fighter aircraft, ordered in 2007 (delivery pending).

There are problems with delivery, say “thanks” to west.
And from my information SAF in the start of war had a problem with an time in air of each plane, spending 8 hours in the ground for 1 hour in air.
In this case, maybe it’s better for SAF to have simple, cheaper in use plane’s, so they can have higher flight time.

rus.lang
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And one more, in modern warfare not a quantity of aircrafts mattters, but effiicincy of their usage:
1.How fast air support is called, for example in an ambush scenario
2.how precise and effective it is when it arrives
3.ability of a single soldier/platoon/battalion/division to correct fire, control air support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-centric_warfare

500 millions just development, and all the sensors, on all armor, cars, every single soldiers individual eqiupment (personal 500mgz netbooks, apples and samsung galaxy) – billions of dollars.
This a core of “modern” air force, not just planes.

freeman
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thanks for the constructive reply

Anonymous
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Bless dr. Bashar al Assad, the Syrian people and the SAA. May victory over the Wahabi Rats be very close!!!

Greetings from the Netherlands

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لماذا هذه المسرحية والتكلفة بلا طعمة؟ ينصب حاله حضرته خلال 24 وخلصونا ومافي داعي لكل هذه التكاليف,
في حدا بينكم عم يسأل الى متى مسخرة القذائف على رؤو س الدمشقيين؟ لو سخرتو نص الرجال يلي واقفين عالصناديق ليزحفوا عجوبر وينيكو اختها فوق الارض وتحت الارض كنا نهينا الموضوع وانقذنا ارواح. بس مين فارقة معه منكم. همكم بس التطبيل والتزمير للامبراطور الجديد

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may be you can ask the new empror when mortar shells will stop falling on Damascus? may be u can ask him when aleppo will beliberated? why dont we ask iran to send us few nuts to liberate remaining areas and get it over with? is their blood more precious than ours? it is for them why this war on syria ie being carried out. it is their nuclear program and regional power why the stood by us. anyone who buys liberating the land, fighting israel, resistance crap is delusional.

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So whats your proposal, crying moron , give up and let israeli’s take you land and kill your children? And americans stomp the land of your ancestors with their boot, fuck and rape your women near military base , and point from it their weapons to other freedom loving nations that haven’t give up? If you a man, don’t ask for “nuts from iran”, take up weapons and go fight, or shut up, slug.

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Maybe you can ask your wahhabi buddies to stop cutting off catholic priests’ heads with dull knives? Maybe you can ask your buddies to stop killing “kuffars” like alewites and christians in places like Adra? Maybe you can ask your buddies to stop cutting off water from everyone in Aleppo? Maybe you can ask your friends to get the hell out of Damascus and let civilians live a normal life instead of shooting mortars on them? Arab spring has brought nothing but predicament in places like Libya and Egypt. Do you want to see ISIS form a medieval islamic state… Read more »
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*Eastern Syria

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Not sure your pojnt here my friend, but on the fun side, iran can send as many “nuts” as they can to protect Syria from the invanders, as of “nukes” the only country that has them in Middle East is Israhell. On another point, stand fast since both Aleppo and Damascus is about to be freed entirely from rat infestation, would that be a nice thing to do afterallmis over to pay a visit to Syria and help this country to be back again a beacon of freedom and organization as it was before ? I will do it, will… Read more »
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I too will come and help when the war is over

Another Aussie

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The SAA is taken my advice for the second time in 3 months (: yeayea